A pornography discussion we have to have.

Last week, the Catching Foxes podcast released its eighth episode: “Authentically Honest About Pornography.” If you listen to one podcast episode in your lifetime, I implore you to make it this one.

I’m fairly certain that for two men to discuss this so honestly, so publicly, is unprecedented. What I like about the episode most is what hosts Gomer and Luke start, and what they model.

They start a caliber of conversation that a lot of people need to have and few ever do. They model the courage to have that kind of conversation and they model the result of having that kind of conversation — the hope, and healing, and joy that so many people don’t even know is within the realm of possibility for their lives.

Click here to listen to the episode (and click here to follow Catching Foxes on Twitter).